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		<title>By: Doug Jenkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 03:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;43 out of 50 here.  I suspect they have changed some of the dodgier questions.  Most of the ones I got wrong I&#039;d put in the &quot;OK, but who cares&quot; category, but:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;Can you call a macro from an Excel formula?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[Allowed responses - 1:   Yes  2:   No  ]              [Your response - 1, correct answer - 2 ]&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What is a UDF, if not calling a macro from an Excel formula?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>43 out of 50 here.  I suspect they have changed some of the dodgier questions.  Most of the ones I got wrong I&#8217;d put in the &#8220;OK, but who cares&#8221; category, but:</p>
<p>&#8220;Can you call a macro from an Excel formula?</p>
<p>[Allowed responses - 1:   Yes  2:   No  ]              [Your response - 1, correct answer - 2 ]&#8220;</p>
<p>What is a UDF, if not calling a macro from an Excel formula?</p>
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		<title>By: teylyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>teylyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is written more than a year after the previous comment. I think they must have changed some questions since this blog post was published. I did not find some of the questions mentioned above.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, when you provide your email addy after the 50th Q, you&#039;ll get a full report, listing *your* answer and the *correct* answer for each of the 50 Qs, so now you can see your bloopers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some of the questions are still ambiguous and open to discussion, I feel. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;OTOH, I won&#039;t complain. I consider myself a relative VBA rookie, writing the odd change event and otherwise using the macro recorder and clean up what I can. Definitely not a developer, and for me a &quot;class&quot; is something that you take when you want to learn tap dance or ikebana, and not something I&#039;d even dream of writing in VBA. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Still, with the current set of questions, I scored 80% correct (40 out of 50 Qs)  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Happy with that.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is written more than a year after the previous comment. I think they must have changed some questions since this blog post was published. I did not find some of the questions mentioned above.</p>
<p>Also, when you provide your email addy after the 50th Q, you&#8217;ll get a full report, listing *your* answer and the *correct* answer for each of the 50 Qs, so now you can see your bloopers.</p>
<p>Some of the questions are still ambiguous and open to discussion, I feel. </p>
<p>OTOH, I won&#8217;t complain. I consider myself a relative VBA rookie, writing the odd change event and otherwise using the macro recorder and clean up what I can. Definitely not a developer, and for me a &#8220;class&#8221; is something that you take when you want to learn tap dance or ikebana, and not something I&#8217;d even dream of writing in VBA. </p>
<p>Still, with the current set of questions, I scored 80% correct (40 out of 50 Qs)  </p>
<p>Happy with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Karel Pieterse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Karel Pieterse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I scored 3 wrongs, so a bit over 91 percent.&lt;br&gt;
Didn&#039;t agree with some of the questions, bit obviously managed to pick the expected answer :-)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I scored 3 wrongs, so a bit over 91 percent.<br />
Didn&#8217;t agree with some of the questions, bit obviously managed to pick the expected answer <img src='http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In addition to ambiguity, the problem I have with tests of this ilk is the subjective nature of the questions. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Take, for example Dick&#039;s intentionally ambiguous question. He says, &quot;A casual observer might think there&#039;s no wrong answer and that the test is unfair.&quot; The implication is that one of the three options is in fact no way at all to monitor a range variable&#039;s address at all. If so, this option must be discounted as a candidate answer. Therefore, I must choose subjectively between two valid answers. Therefore, I think the question is unfair but due to admitted over-analysis rather than casual observation ;) &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A fair question IMO would ask something more like, &quot;Which of the following would not reveal...&quot; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I took the test (hgaven&#039;t yet received the results) and was asked about the approximate number of lines before a VBA sub procedure can generally be considered to too large. Obviously, there&#039;s a lack of objectiveity in that one but I was asked two questions pertaining to the Personal workbook, a concept I vaguely recall from a decade ago, never but had anything to do with. Absolutely no questions about the Implements keyword in VBA, which tends to &#039;sort the men from the boys&#039; in my experience. In other words, not only are individual questions subjective but the features chosen to question on are likely to reveal the test&#039;s author personal biases.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to ambiguity, the problem I have with tests of this ilk is the subjective nature of the questions. </p>
<p>Take, for example Dick&#8217;s intentionally ambiguous question. He says, &#8220;A casual observer might think there&#8217;s no wrong answer and that the test is unfair.&#8221; The implication is that one of the three options is in fact no way at all to monitor a range variable&#8217;s address at all. If so, this option must be discounted as a candidate answer. Therefore, I must choose subjectively between two valid answers. Therefore, I think the question is unfair but due to admitted over-analysis rather than casual observation <img src='http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>A fair question IMO would ask something more like, &#8220;Which of the following would not reveal&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>I took the test (hgaven&#8217;t yet received the results) and was asked about the approximate number of lines before a VBA sub procedure can generally be considered to too large. Obviously, there&#8217;s a lack of objectiveity in that one but I was asked two questions pertaining to the Personal workbook, a concept I vaguely recall from a decade ago, never but had anything to do with. Absolutely no questions about the Implements keyword in VBA, which tends to &#8216;sort the men from the boys&#8217; in my experience. In other words, not only are individual questions subjective but the features chosen to question on are likely to reveal the test&#8217;s author personal biases.</p>
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		<title>By: Redge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I scored 88% (6 wrong).  Some aspects of VBA I don&#039;t know much about and there&#039;s more I don&#039;t know anything about.  The test has a fairly broad range of questions, I&#039;m not sure what they would manage to push through a course.  I&#039;m still learning from John Walkenbach&#039;s books.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I scored 88% (6 wrong).  Some aspects of VBA I don&#8217;t know much about and there&#8217;s more I don&#8217;t know anything about.  The test has a fairly broad range of questions, I&#8217;m not sure what they would manage to push through a course.  I&#8217;m still learning from John Walkenbach&#8217;s books.</p>
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		<title>By: Winland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I got 80%(10 wrong).  I failed at most of question about shortcut key:(&lt;br&gt;
Agree with J-Walk about the ambiguous questions.&lt;br&gt;
For example, in question 12(find the PC name), the answer seperated Excel function, Visual Basic function and Windows function.  But  in question 19(change background color of a cell), this &quot;visual basic function&quot; become &quot;excel function&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got 80%(10 wrong).  I failed at most of question about shortcut key:(<br />
Agree with J-Walk about the ambiguous questions.<br />
For example, in question 12(find the PC name), the answer seperated Excel function, Visual Basic function and Windows function.  But  in question 19(change background color of a cell), this &#8220;visual basic function&#8221; become &#8220;excel function&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ringstrom</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ringstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I scored 90% (5 wrong). I agree with J-Walk about the ambiguous nature of some of the questions...most of the ones I got wrong weren&#039;t written very well.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I scored 90% (5 wrong). I agree with J-Walk about the ambiguous nature of some of the questions&#8230;most of the ones I got wrong weren&#8217;t written very well.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevlarhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevlarhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I got 86% (7 wrong, 43 right, including a load of lucky guesses).  And there&#039;s an option to have them send you the test questions and answers with your score.  For a poorly paid Excel monkey in the depths of Englandshire I don&#039;t think that&#039;s too bad.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Agree that there are questions on there which are poorly worded and which (if someone was to ask me f2f) I&#039;d prefer to answer with &#039;it depends&#039;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For example&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;You write a macro in a particular workbook.  Can you specify that the macro runs automatically whenever the workbook is opened? &quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[Allowed responses - 1:   Yes  2:   No  ]              [Your response - 2, correct answer - 1 ]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s weird, because the last few spreadsheets I&#039;ve written I had to include a nag screen to ensure the user enabled macros.  If you create a workbook with the assumption that the Workbook_Open event will always trigger, you&#039;re instantly stuffed when the user has Security set to high, or Disables macros on Medium.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can&#039;t say I was impressed by the keyboard shortcut questions either; I develop spreadsheets for other people&#039;s use, so I go big friendly Active X button controls all the way.  Haven&#039;t used a keyboard shortcut in... well, ever.  Given the minimal cost of getting a keyboard shortcut wrong (&quot;Alt-R doesn&#039;t work.  Okay, I need to find another key combination...&quot;) I&#039;m sure they could have devoted a question of two to rounding, or datatype conversions, or other areas which will cause potentially more serious but less obvious errors.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In short, not a hugely bad test but could be a lot better with bit more effort and polish.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got 86% (7 wrong, 43 right, including a load of lucky guesses).  And there&#8217;s an option to have them send you the test questions and answers with your score.  For a poorly paid Excel monkey in the depths of Englandshire I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s too bad.</p>
<p>Agree that there are questions on there which are poorly worded and which (if someone was to ask me f2f) I&#8217;d prefer to answer with &#8216;it depends&#8217;.</p>
<p>For example</p>
<p>&#8220;You write a macro in a particular workbook.  Can you specify that the macro runs automatically whenever the workbook is opened? &#8220;</p>
<p>[Allowed responses - 1:   Yes  2:   No  ]              [Your response - 2, correct answer - 1 ]</p>
<p>That&#8217;s weird, because the last few spreadsheets I&#8217;ve written I had to include a nag screen to ensure the user enabled macros.  If you create a workbook with the assumption that the Workbook_Open event will always trigger, you&#8217;re instantly stuffed when the user has Security set to high, or Disables macros on Medium.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t say I was impressed by the keyboard shortcut questions either; I develop spreadsheets for other people&#8217;s use, so I go big friendly Active X button controls all the way.  Haven&#8217;t used a keyboard shortcut in&#8230; well, ever.  Given the minimal cost of getting a keyboard shortcut wrong (&#8220;Alt-R doesn&#8217;t work.  Okay, I need to find another key combination&#8230;&#8221;) I&#8217;m sure they could have devoted a question of two to rounding, or datatype conversions, or other areas which will cause potentially more serious but less obvious errors.</p>
<p>In short, not a hugely bad test but could be a lot better with bit more effort and polish.</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That bloody Ross&lt;br&gt;
He copied my answers!&lt;br&gt;
;-)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That bloody Ross<br />
He copied my answers!<br /> <img src='http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Charles Chickering</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Chickering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I got 84%, 42 out of 50, there is now a check box at the end to enable it to send the questions with your answers and the correct answers. And I definitely agree that there are some ambiguous questions. One question that I had was &quot;Can a Visual Basic function change the background colour of a cell?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[Allowed responses - 1:   Yes  2:   No  ]              [Your response - 1, correct answer - 2 ]&quot; Obviously, a function used as a UDF cannot change the cell colour, but when calling it from a macro, then it can indeed change the colour. I&#039;d say of the 8 I missed, 4 could be argued effectively. The writer of this test definitely has his ideas on how code should be written but does not have a good grasp on writing questions that accurately assess the users skill. I&#039;d love to see him post the reasons for his answers.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got 84%, 42 out of 50, there is now a check box at the end to enable it to send the questions with your answers and the correct answers. And I definitely agree that there are some ambiguous questions. One question that I had was &#8220;Can a Visual Basic function change the background colour of a cell?</p>
<p>[Allowed responses - 1:   Yes  2:   No  ]              [Your response - 1, correct answer - 2 ]&#8221; Obviously, a function used as a UDF cannot change the cell colour, but when calling it from a macro, then it can indeed change the colour. I&#8217;d say of the 8 I missed, 4 could be argued effectively. The writer of this test definitely has his ideas on how code should be written but does not have a good grasp on writing questions that accurately assess the users skill. I&#8217;d love to see him post the reasons for his answers.</p>
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