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		<title>By: James Jordin</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Jordin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi all,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A belated thanks for your responses to my query, and apologies for the delay in my reply.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I appreciate the advice you all offered, however, in my work environment, I can&#039;t test or implement any solutions involving registry editing (or indeed anything requiring windows admin privileges). Which presents a significant challenge to you all in suggesting viable solutions... but not half the challenge I face on a daily basis trying to get anything done with one hand tied behind my back. ;) The nature of consultancy in a particularly paranoid corner of the defence industry though, I guess... (@gruff999 - definition of &#039;guys&#039; is spot on, in this case).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, sorry that my query seemed to spark some animosity - my intention was certainly not to put any cats among pigeons! :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>A belated thanks for your responses to my query, and apologies for the delay in my reply.</p>
<p>I appreciate the advice you all offered, however, in my work environment, I can&#8217;t test or implement any solutions involving registry editing (or indeed anything requiring windows admin privileges). Which presents a significant challenge to you all in suggesting viable solutions&#8230; but not half the challenge I face on a daily basis trying to get anything done with one hand tied behind my back. <img src='http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  The nature of consultancy in a particularly paranoid corner of the defence industry though, I guess&#8230; (@gruff999 &#8211; definition of &#8216;guys&#8217; is spot on, in this case).</p>
<p>Also, sorry that my query seemed to spark some animosity &#8211; my intention was certainly not to put any cats among pigeons! <img src='http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rick Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;fzz:&lt;br&gt;
Quote: .1 + .2 - .3 + .4 + .5 - .6 ... = 2.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just to sidestep the above debate, I was thinking of this infinite sum, and can&#039;t see that it converges, particularly not to 2.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;= (.1 + .2 - .3) + (.4 + .5 - .6) + (.7 + .8 - .9) + (1.0 + 1.1 - 1.2) + ...&lt;br&gt;
= 0              +   0.3          +   0.6          +  0.9              + ...&lt;br&gt;
=&gt; infinity?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also I can&#039;t figure out what the aeries you intended was.  I&#039;m always a sucker for interesting number patterns - what was the series you intended?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rick&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fzz:<br />
Quote: .1 + .2 &#8211; .3 + .4 + .5 &#8211; .6 &#8230; = 2.</p>
<p>Just to sidestep the above debate, I was thinking of this infinite sum, and can&#8217;t see that it converges, particularly not to 2.  </p>
<p>= (.1 + .2 &#8211; .3) + (.4 + .5 &#8211; .6) + (.7 + .8 &#8211; .9) + (1.0 + 1.1 &#8211; 1.2) + &#8230;<br />
= 0              +   0.3          +   0.6          +  0.9              + &#8230;<br />
=&gt; infinity?</p>
<p>Also I can&#8217;t figure out what the aeries you intended was.  I&#8217;m always a sucker for interesting number patterns &#8211; what was the series you intended?</p>
<p>Rick</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Wallentin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Wallentin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tushar,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your comment shows, once again, Your lack of knowledge. Let me know when You are ready for .NET (if that situation ever will occur).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kind regards,&lt;br&gt;
Dennis&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tushar,</p>
<p>Your comment shows, once again, Your lack of knowledge. Let me know when You are ready for .NET (if that situation ever will occur).</p>
<p>Kind regards,<br />
Dennis</p>
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		<title>By: gruff999</title>
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		<dc:creator>gruff999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;fzz, quite right, but it&#039;s so much easier to TAIL -F a log file than produce a batch file to simulate the same result. At the risk of going off topic I&#039;d be interested in your version though&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I should mention for interested readers that tail.exe is part of the Windows 2003 Resource Kit so you may have to speak to your server guys to get hold of it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;#NOTE: The term &#039;guys&#039; in relation to Windows server management is not gender specific. The name derives from their ability to tie a network down so hard you can barely get any work done. Like a &#039;guy&#039; rope on a tent in a hurricane. See? ;)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fzz, quite right, but it&#8217;s so much easier to TAIL -F a log file than produce a batch file to simulate the same result. At the risk of going off topic I&#8217;d be interested in your version though</p>
<p>I should mention for interested readers that tail.exe is part of the Windows 2003 Resource Kit so you may have to speak to your server guys to get hold of it.</p>
<p>#NOTE: The term &#8216;guys&#8217; in relation to Windows server management is not gender specific. The name derives from their ability to tie a network down so hard you can barely get any work done. Like a &#8216;guy&#8217; rope on a tent in a hurricane. See? <img src='http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: fzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>fzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@gruff999 -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;CMD FOR /F loops could simulate TAIL, so CMD didn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; a TAIL command.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@gruff999 -</p>
<p>CMD FOR /F loops could simulate TAIL, so CMD didn&#8217;t <i>need</i> a TAIL command.</p>
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		<title>By: Tushar Mehta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tushar Mehta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ha, ha, ha.  That&#039;s funny, Dennis.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;...it requires CLR to run which cause an overhead. It target IT-administrator and developers...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;...For instance, it means that we cannot double click on a script file to run it in the explorer...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks.  You just made my day.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, ha, ha.  That&#8217;s funny, Dennis.</p>
<p>&#8230;it requires CLR to run which cause an overhead. It target IT-administrator and developers&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;For instance, it means that we cannot double click on a script file to run it in the explorer&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks.  You just made my day.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Wallentin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Wallentin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;fzz,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Because Powershell use the .NET Framework and its objects it requires CLR to run which cause an overhead. It target IT-administrator and developers. I have started out to learn it (both the command utility and the script language) so I prefer, at present, to point to a web placed which shows one script example related to Excel: &lt;a href=&quot;http://poshcode.org/1444&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://poshcode.org/1444&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I do not necessarily agree that it would be an overkill within this context. Creating a script that automate different tasks is one of its main field and therefore qualify to be mentioned and discussed here. At least, that&#039;s my opinion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The key point with PowerShell is that it fully support the security paradigm on the .NET platform. For instance, it means that we cannot double click on a script file to run it in the explorer . It&#039;s also possible to read/write Windows Registry as well as check if files have been digital signed or not.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I intend to publish some of my findings on my blog (which is a dedicated .NET blog).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tushar,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yep, one thing that comes to my mind is:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;*********** Diversity **********&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;PowerShell is a well known technology and Your comment only shows Your lack of knowledge and ignorance. It&#039;s available for Windows XP, Vista and Windows 7 and it&#039;s the natural successor of all good old technologies.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kind regards,&lt;br&gt;
Dennis&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fzz,</p>
<p>Because Powershell use the .NET Framework and its objects it requires CLR to run which cause an overhead. It target IT-administrator and developers. I have started out to learn it (both the command utility and the script language) so I prefer, at present, to point to a web placed which shows one script example related to Excel: <a href="http://poshcode.org/1444" rel="nofollow">http://poshcode.org/1444</a></p>
<p>I do not necessarily agree that it would be an overkill within this context. Creating a script that automate different tasks is one of its main field and therefore qualify to be mentioned and discussed here. At least, that&#8217;s my opinion.</p>
<p>The key point with PowerShell is that it fully support the security paradigm on the .NET platform. For instance, it means that we cannot double click on a script file to run it in the explorer . It&#8217;s also possible to read/write Windows Registry as well as check if files have been digital signed or not.</p>
<p>I intend to publish some of my findings on my blog (which is a dedicated .NET blog).</p>
<p>Tushar,</p>
<p>Yep, one thing that comes to my mind is:</p>
<p>*********** Diversity **********</p>
<p>PowerShell is a well known technology and Your comment only shows Your lack of knowledge and ignorance. It&#8217;s available for Windows XP, Vista and Windows 7 and it&#8217;s the natural successor of all good old technologies.</p>
<p>Kind regards,<br />
Dennis</p>
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		<title>By: gruff999</title>
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		<dc:creator>gruff999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oops, blue on blue.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll use batch files and VBScript and whatever else I can to get me what I want. Batch files are still very current (O.k. so we had to wait until Windows 2003 for a TAIL command like in Unix) but I regularly use them. Yes they have some quirks, but for really quick and dirty solutions to routine problems it&#039;s worth the effort.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s only one book worth a damn on the subject: Windows NT Shell Scripting by Tim Hill.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, blue on blue.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll use batch files and VBScript and whatever else I can to get me what I want. Batch files are still very current (O.k. so we had to wait until Windows 2003 for a TAIL command like in Unix) but I regularly use them. Yes they have some quirks, but for really quick and dirty solutions to routine problems it&#8217;s worth the effort.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s only one book worth a damn on the subject: Windows NT Shell Scripting by Tim Hill.</p>
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		<title>By: fzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>fzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;VBScript is generally unnecessary. It serves a purpose in web pages. There are better tools for local scripting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then the clever rhetorical flourish about future responses. Almost as clever as the original article.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You wanted to show how clever you are, and even more you wanted others to acknowledge your cleverness. Objectionable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nice point about simple arithmetic, but batch files are 1 + 1 = 2. VBScript is .1 + .2 - .3 + .4 + .5 - .6 ... = 2. You&#039;re trying to claim the former for yourself when the latter is the case.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Link to whatever you want.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VBScript is generally unnecessary. It serves a purpose in web pages. There are better tools for local scripting.</p>
<p>Then the clever rhetorical flourish about future responses. Almost as clever as the original article.</p>
<p>You wanted to show how clever you are, and even more you wanted others to acknowledge your cleverness. Objectionable.</p>
<p>Nice point about simple arithmetic, but batch files are 1 + 1 = 2. VBScript is .1 + .2 &#8211; .3 + .4 + .5 &#8211; .6 &#8230; = 2. You&#8217;re trying to claim the former for yourself when the latter is the case.</p>
<p>Link to whatever you want.</p>
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		<title>By: Tushar Mehta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tushar Mehta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;fzz: Opening an addin rather than loading it has problems of its own.  Properly written addins may not take kindly to being opened.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t know what it is about me that seems to guarantee some form of criticism from you.  You come across as willing to go to the ends of the world and beyond to find a flaw - pathological more likely than not - in whatever I post.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s something for you to point out as being &quot;brute force&quot; &quot;inflexible&quot; and &quot;inexperienced&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tushar says: In everyday activities, for regular folks, 1 + 1 = 2.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, you know what&#039;s really great?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guarantee that anything you post from now on will solicit either no response from me or just one: A link to this message.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fzz: Opening an addin rather than loading it has problems of its own.  Properly written addins may not take kindly to being opened.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what it is about me that seems to guarantee some form of criticism from you.  You come across as willing to go to the ends of the world and beyond to find a flaw &#8211; pathological more likely than not &#8211; in whatever I post.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s something for you to point out as being &#8220;brute force&#8221; &#8220;inflexible&#8221; and &#8220;inexperienced&#8221;</p>
<p>Tushar says: In everyday activities, for regular folks, 1 + 1 = 2.</p>
<p>And, you know what&#8217;s really great?</p>
<p>I guarantee that anything you post from now on will solicit either no response from me or just one: A link to this message.</p>
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