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		<title>By: Nile</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2009/09/11/bar-is-the-new-pie/#comment-41166</link>
		<dc:creator>Nile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;An essential rule for both pie and loaf charts is that the data must be displayed sequentially, smallest to largest. It helps, also, if the colour scheme has some kind of sequence - progressively darker moving from smallest to largest, or a &#039;thermal&#039; gradient from warm to cool if you want to draw the users into value judgements.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An essential rule for both pie and loaf charts is that the data must be displayed sequentially, smallest to largest. It helps, also, if the colour scheme has some kind of sequence &#8211; progressively darker moving from smallest to largest, or a &#8216;thermal&#8217; gradient from warm to cool if you want to draw the users into value judgements.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2009/09/11/bar-is-the-new-pie/#comment-41133</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the big advantage which pie charts have is that people instinctively know that it&#039;s a proportion of a whole. With a bar I don&#039;t think there&#039;s that instinct.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s right or wrong, I just think that people would know without thinking what it represented.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But two or three segments is probably the way to go.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the big advantage which pie charts have is that people instinctively know that it&#8217;s a proportion of a whole. With a bar I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s that instinct.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s right or wrong, I just think that people would know without thinking what it represented.</p>
<p>But two or three segments is probably the way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;But I don&#039;t want you to judge the relative size of the bars. I want you judge the size of the trolls relative to the total.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then stick to your pie with Trolls and Non-Trolls.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But I don&#8217;t want you to judge the relative size of the bars. I want you judge the size of the trolls relative to the total.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then stick to your pie with Trolls and Non-Trolls.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Kusleika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dick Kusleika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I thought of calling it a &lt;a href=&quot;http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;hs=cPL&amp;resnum=0&amp;q=push+ups+ice+cream&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;ei=rNGuSrh-hbKzA9eCoccL&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=image_result_group&amp;ct=title&amp;resnum=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;push up chart&lt;/a&gt;, but I thought the reference was too obscure.  I guess crazy minds think alike.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;it is difficult to judge the relative sizes of the bars.&quot;  But I don&#039;t want you to judge the relative size of the bars.  I want you judge the size of the trolls relative to the total.  I don&#039;t think the unstacked bar chart does that as well as the pie chart.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought of calling it a <a href="http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;hs=cPL&amp;resnum=0&amp;q=push+ups+ice+cream&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;ei=rNGuSrh-hbKzA9eCoccL&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=image_result_group&amp;ct=title&amp;resnum=1" rel="nofollow">push up chart</a>, but I thought the reference was too obscure.  I guess crazy minds think alike.</p>
<p>&#8220;it is difficult to judge the relative sizes of the bars.&#8221;  But I don&#8217;t want you to judge the relative size of the bars.  I want you judge the size of the trolls relative to the total.  I don&#8217;t think the unstacked bar chart does that as well as the pie chart.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;David, over here we call them Popsicles.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I find that pie charts are useless unless the percentages are shown.  Unless the pie &quot;slices approximate easily recognized simple fractions like 3/4, 2/3, 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/6, 1/8, people will not come close to estimating anything correctly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The stacked bar charts confuse me.  While I may be able to approximate the relative size of bars (I prefer nanaimo -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanaimo_bar - by the way), the stacking doesn&#039;t provide any immediately meaningful information except the total when the long dimension has large numbers at tick marks.  Again, approximating a number near the middle, means approximating those at the extremities and working in.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, over here we call them Popsicles.</p>
<p>I find that pie charts are useless unless the percentages are shown.  Unless the pie &#8220;slices approximate easily recognized simple fractions like 3/4, 2/3, 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/6, 1/8, people will not come close to estimating anything correctly.</p>
<p>The stacked bar charts confuse me.  While I may be able to approximate the relative size of bars (I prefer nanaimo -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanaimo_bar &#8211; by the way), the stacking doesn&#8217;t provide any immediately meaningful information except the total when the long dimension has large numbers at tick marks.  Again, approximating a number near the middle, means approximating those at the extremities and working in.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ritchie</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ritchie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What about a Fab Chart, like the ice-lolly.  (Not sure if you have those in the US though)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about a Fab Chart, like the ice-lolly.  (Not sure if you have those in the US though)</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think there is a relation between your bar charts and what I have seen called &quot;Mekko&quot; charts. See for example (a commercial product):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.add-ins.com/mekko_chart_creator.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.add-ins.com/mekko_chart_creator.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lance&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a relation between your bar charts and what I have seen called &#8220;Mekko&#8221; charts. See for example (a commercial product):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.add-ins.com/mekko_chart_creator.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.add-ins.com/mekko_chart_creator.htm</a></p>
<p>Lance</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 05:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dick -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The unstacked bar chart is still a better chart. Put a scale on the horizontal axis if you want to show percentages.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the unstacked bar, the Gremlins are equal to the Orcs. In the stacked meatloaf chart (or whatever you want to call it), it looks like the Orcs are a larger portion. Without a common baseline for the bars, it is difficult to judge the relative sizes of the bars.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Brad -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s true that the values in the pie are proportional to the area, or arc length, or angle. The problem is human cognition. When judging linear dimensions (lengths of bars in a chart, for example), we perceive a change in value roughly proportional to the change in length. When judging areas, we perceive a change in value that is only about 70% of the change in area. Angles are similarly misjudged.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dick -</p>
<p>The unstacked bar chart is still a better chart. Put a scale on the horizontal axis if you want to show percentages.</p>
<p>In the unstacked bar, the Gremlins are equal to the Orcs. In the stacked meatloaf chart (or whatever you want to call it), it looks like the Orcs are a larger portion. Without a common baseline for the bars, it is difficult to judge the relative sizes of the bars.</p>
<p>Brad -</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that the values in the pie are proportional to the area, or arc length, or angle. The problem is human cognition. When judging linear dimensions (lengths of bars in a chart, for example), we perceive a change in value roughly proportional to the change in length. When judging areas, we perceive a change in value that is only about 70% of the change in area. Angles are similarly misjudged.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Jenkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Obviously it should be called a lamington chart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamington).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think the pie chart is fine in this case as well.  One advantage is that it doesn&#039;t have a start and end (or bottom and top) which can effect the way the data is veiwed in a stacked chart.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously it should be called a lamington chart (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamington" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamington</a>).</p>
<p>I think the pie chart is fine in this case as well.  One advantage is that it doesn&#8217;t have a start and end (or bottom and top) which can effect the way the data is veiwed in a stacked chart.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Yundt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Yundt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While a bubble chart is guilty as charged (bubble diameter is determined by the value, not bubble area), a pie chart is innocent on that account. This is because the radius is the same for one pie slice as it is for the next. Pie slice area, arc angle and circumference are all proportional to the percentage value.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>While a bubble chart is guilty as charged (bubble diameter is determined by the value, not bubble area), a pie chart is innocent on that account. This is because the radius is the same for one pie slice as it is for the next. Pie slice area, arc angle and circumference are all proportional to the percentage value.</p>
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