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		<title>By: Andrew Barron</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2007/02/15/excel-2007-likeability/#comment-60539</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Barron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 09:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Excel 2007, It is just horrible, I can&#039;t think of a single thing I like. I wish i could go back to 2003.  Visual Basic - horrible, Charts everything that was easy like changing the data the chart looks at is now harder, Pivot tables AAARRRGH!!! You can&#039;t even customise the toolbars so no quick buttons to insert a column or a row.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;hate it, hate it, hate it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How can MS release such a completly useless application for developers and business people?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please, please change it back.  Is there any real alternative spreadsheet that will read and write Ecel format files?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excel 2007, It is just horrible, I can&#8217;t think of a single thing I like. I wish i could go back to 2003.  Visual Basic &#8211; horrible, Charts everything that was easy like changing the data the chart looks at is now harder, Pivot tables AAARRRGH!!! You can&#8217;t even customise the toolbars so no quick buttons to insert a column or a row.</p>
<p>hate it, hate it, hate it.</p>
<p>How can MS release such a completly useless application for developers and business people?  </p>
<p>Please, please change it back.  Is there any real alternative spreadsheet that will read and write Ecel format files?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2007/02/15/excel-2007-likeability/#comment-37341</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.msdn.com/excel/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blogs.msdn.com/excel/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Jay Zmuda</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2007/02/15/excel-2007-likeability/#comment-37312</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Zmuda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 03:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jon Peltier:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what is the address for the Microsoft Excel Blog.  I want to go to the right place to rant.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon Peltier:</p>
<p>what is the address for the Microsoft Excel Blog.  I want to go to the right place to rant.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2007/02/15/excel-2007-likeability/#comment-37011</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 02:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Anton - have a look at this thread from the JW Blog:&lt;br&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://spreadsheetpage.com/index.php/comments/excel_and_av_software/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://spreadsheetpage.com/index.php/comments/excel_and_av_software/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s worth trying uninstalling Google Office COM add-ins (if you use them) and possibly AV software.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I now use XL2007 99% of the time, and whilst there are some performance issues with VBA I do not get anything like the troubles you describe since doing away with Google Desktop.  I uninstalled the whole thing, but according to Charles Williams it&#039;s only the Google Office COM addins you need to uninstall (see his comment in the post linked above).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Regarding stability, I have actually found XL2007 to be substantially better than the earlier versions with very big files.  One thing I did find is that with some VBA applications using an API written in C, some incorrectly dimensioned arrays caused an instant crash, whereas in previous versions they worked most of the time, but crashed occaisionally without warning (and always at the most inconvenient moment of course).  Possibly some of your problems with VBA applications are caused by something similar.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;HTH&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anton &#8211; have a look at this thread from the JW Blog:<br />
<a href="http://spreadsheetpage.com/index.php/comments/excel_and_av_software/" rel="nofollow">http://spreadsheetpage.com/index.php/comments/excel_and_av_software/</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth trying uninstalling Google Office COM add-ins (if you use them) and possibly AV software.</p>
<p>I now use XL2007 99% of the time, and whilst there are some performance issues with VBA I do not get anything like the troubles you describe since doing away with Google Desktop.  I uninstalled the whole thing, but according to Charles Williams it&#8217;s only the Google Office COM addins you need to uninstall (see his comment in the post linked above).</p>
<p>Regarding stability, I have actually found XL2007 to be substantially better than the earlier versions with very big files.  One thing I did find is that with some VBA applications using an API written in C, some incorrectly dimensioned arrays caused an instant crash, whereas in previous versions they worked most of the time, but crashed occaisionally without warning (and always at the most inconvenient moment of course).  Possibly some of your problems with VBA applications are caused by something similar.</p>
<p>HTH</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Peltier</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2007/02/15/excel-2007-likeability/#comment-36984</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Peltier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Anton -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Run, don&#039;t walk, to the Excel Blog, which is run by the Excel Product Group in Microsoft. They are looking specifically for issues with macro/VBA speed in 2007.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a&gt;Microsoft Excel Blog&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anton -</p>
<p>Run, don&#8217;t walk, to the Excel Blog, which is run by the Excel Product Group in Microsoft. They are looking specifically for issues with macro/VBA speed in 2007.</p>
<p><a>Microsoft Excel Blog</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anton Gocek</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2007/02/15/excel-2007-likeability/#comment-36917</link>
		<dc:creator>Anton Gocek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I can&#039;t believe how terrible the performance of Excel 2007 is.  I work supporting applications in a company that does a lot of financial work with spreadsheets.  Many departments in the company have highly complex workbooks/sheets developed in Excel.  We previously used Office XP with Excel 2002, and while there were some issues, 2007 takes the cake with the problems incurred.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve seen numerous issues with the Macros.  Even worse is the speed or lack thereof users experience when working in Excel 2007.  Whether in compatibility mode or after converting workbooks to xlsx this is absolutely the WORST performing upgrade I&#039;ve ever dealt with.  A true headache maker!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Autosave locking up peoples workbooks for 10 minutes while the app saves recent changes is a disaster.  Yes it can be turned off, but that&#039;s stupid.  Changing the value of one cell and moving to a different cell in a worksheet we&#039;ve seen it take 1 minute for excel to unlock itself and get out of the frrozen screen that happens just after the change is made.  Excel 2007 doesn&#039;t crash so much as it just sucks.  The results are repeatable everytime, and everytime it&#039;s problematic.  Then we look at the same workbook/sheets in Excel 2002 and it works as it should.  To bad nearly all users don&#039;t have access to Excel 2002 any longer.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It really is shocking how little quality assurance went into the development of this supposed upgrade.  All the PC&#039;s in the company I work for run XP SP2 with atleast 2 gig RAM, and processing power is definitely not issue.  The problem is Microsofts lack of due diligence in the design of this application.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sure it may look pretty, but its performance is a nightmare.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seriously Microsoft, you&#039;re better then that, get it together and patch this thing up so it will atleast perform as good as 2002.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Excel 2007 &quot;all show, no go&quot;&lt;br&gt;
TERRIBLE&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe how terrible the performance of Excel 2007 is.  I work supporting applications in a company that does a lot of financial work with spreadsheets.  Many departments in the company have highly complex workbooks/sheets developed in Excel.  We previously used Office XP with Excel 2002, and while there were some issues, 2007 takes the cake with the problems incurred.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen numerous issues with the Macros.  Even worse is the speed or lack thereof users experience when working in Excel 2007.  Whether in compatibility mode or after converting workbooks to xlsx this is absolutely the WORST performing upgrade I&#8217;ve ever dealt with.  A true headache maker!</p>
<p>Autosave locking up peoples workbooks for 10 minutes while the app saves recent changes is a disaster.  Yes it can be turned off, but that&#8217;s stupid.  Changing the value of one cell and moving to a different cell in a worksheet we&#8217;ve seen it take 1 minute for excel to unlock itself and get out of the frrozen screen that happens just after the change is made.  Excel 2007 doesn&#8217;t crash so much as it just sucks.  The results are repeatable everytime, and everytime it&#8217;s problematic.  Then we look at the same workbook/sheets in Excel 2002 and it works as it should.  To bad nearly all users don&#8217;t have access to Excel 2002 any longer.  </p>
<p>It really is shocking how little quality assurance went into the development of this supposed upgrade.  All the PC&#8217;s in the company I work for run XP SP2 with atleast 2 gig RAM, and processing power is definitely not issue.  The problem is Microsofts lack of due diligence in the design of this application.</p>
<p>Sure it may look pretty, but its performance is a nightmare.  </p>
<p>Seriously Microsoft, you&#8217;re better then that, get it together and patch this thing up so it will atleast perform as good as 2002.  </p>
<p>Excel 2007 &#8220;all show, no go&#8221;<br />
TERRIBLE</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Hibbert</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2007/02/15/excel-2007-likeability/#comment-33986</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Hibbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank the lord I no longer have to use Excel in the workplace.  The 2007 interface is appalling, and I now have to read the whole screen to find the elusive functions I used to use quickly and easily.  I had no idea of the bugs that other users are highlighting.  Excel has been integrated into so many parts of small and medium businesses that this is going to cause nightmares for some.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My main gripe with XL2007 is that Microsoft designed Windows with universal look and feel, to give users quick entry to new products.  There were accepted design rules that, you know, you&#039;d put the File menu first, the Help menu last, and try to make your application interface similar to &#039;standard&#039; MS interfaces.  Microsoft used to actively enforce this via certification and their exam systems.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It works really well, I have come across many new third party products and been up and using them in no time.  One golden rule for software is that users like what they are used to.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, MS have abandoned this (bad) and not provided a route back to the previous style interface (awful).  If it was open source, someone would at least be able to hack up and &#039;preferred version&#039; for existing users...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m praying for the day that the strangle-hold of MS is released and we can get a bit of evolution going.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank the lord I no longer have to use Excel in the workplace.  The 2007 interface is appalling, and I now have to read the whole screen to find the elusive functions I used to use quickly and easily.  I had no idea of the bugs that other users are highlighting.  Excel has been integrated into so many parts of small and medium businesses that this is going to cause nightmares for some.</p>
<p>My main gripe with XL2007 is that Microsoft designed Windows with universal look and feel, to give users quick entry to new products.  There were accepted design rules that, you know, you&#8217;d put the File menu first, the Help menu last, and try to make your application interface similar to &#8216;standard&#8217; MS interfaces.  Microsoft used to actively enforce this via certification and their exam systems.</p>
<p>It works really well, I have come across many new third party products and been up and using them in no time.  One golden rule for software is that users like what they are used to.</p>
<p>Now, MS have abandoned this (bad) and not provided a route back to the previous style interface (awful).  If it was open source, someone would at least be able to hack up and &#8216;preferred version&#8217; for existing users&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m praying for the day that the strangle-hold of MS is released and we can get a bit of evolution going.</p>
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		<title>By: JimG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting reading by some familiar and respected names in Excel.  I&#039;m relieved to learn I&#039;m not the &quot;idiot&quot; I thought I was.  Now I understand why my favourite pieces of code that I copy and paste from my XL2003 library to new 2007 macros are crashing Excel.  It wouldn&#039;t be so bad if there was some indication of why and where the problem was.  It&#039;s been around for well over twelve months now, so I&#039;m surprised MS hasn&#039;t taken note of the reaction and issued one of their classic massive service packs. I&#039;d be happy(for a while)with the not so intuitive ribbons and the redundant extra clicks gone.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting reading by some familiar and respected names in Excel.  I&#8217;m relieved to learn I&#8217;m not the &#8220;idiot&#8221; I thought I was.  Now I understand why my favourite pieces of code that I copy and paste from my XL2003 library to new 2007 macros are crashing Excel.  It wouldn&#8217;t be so bad if there was some indication of why and where the problem was.  It&#8217;s been around for well over twelve months now, so I&#8217;m surprised MS hasn&#8217;t taken note of the reaction and issued one of their classic massive service packs. I&#8217;d be happy(for a while)with the not so intuitive ribbons and the redundant extra clicks gone.</p>
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		<title>By: The Wizard of Boz</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Wizard of Boz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I take issue with the &quot;anyone who uses this version will not want to go back to the previous version&quot;.  I would (and will) pay money to upgrade from Office 2007 back to Office 2003.  I will also upgrade from Vista to XP Pro.  Vista&#039;s service packs and patches have broken drivers and disabled systems (for example, the fingerprint reader and the audio drivers - apparently permanently unless I choose to do a clean install).  And Office 2007 broke mission critical macros that have worked just fine for years.   Microsoft&#039;s latest best effort has cost me days or weeks of effort.  I am less efficient using Vista/2007.  I can&#039;t even figure out how to do things I need to do in this software.  The macro recorder doesn&#039;t record everything and so it is impossible to figure out how to code necessary stuff.  It can only by a word starting with &quot;cluster&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps my complaints are due to lack of tech savvy, but I do have some technical competence and experience (4 engineering degrees, including a PhD, former systems manager, former SW product manager).  I don&#039;t think my concerns are trivial.  For the average user, without extensive expert IT management backup, Vista and Office 2007 are insane propositions.  I myself will migrate to Linus/Openoffice within the next year.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am stunned that Microsoft could put out something this bad.  Anyone on my IT staff proposing to migrate to either Vista or Office 2007 would be summarily fired - and they would deserve it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Wizard of Boz&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take issue with the &#8220;anyone who uses this version will not want to go back to the previous version&#8221;.  I would (and will) pay money to upgrade from Office 2007 back to Office 2003.  I will also upgrade from Vista to XP Pro.  Vista&#8217;s service packs and patches have broken drivers and disabled systems (for example, the fingerprint reader and the audio drivers &#8211; apparently permanently unless I choose to do a clean install).  And Office 2007 broke mission critical macros that have worked just fine for years.   Microsoft&#8217;s latest best effort has cost me days or weeks of effort.  I am less efficient using Vista/2007.  I can&#8217;t even figure out how to do things I need to do in this software.  The macro recorder doesn&#8217;t record everything and so it is impossible to figure out how to code necessary stuff.  It can only by a word starting with &#8220;cluster&#8221;.</p>
<p>Perhaps my complaints are due to lack of tech savvy, but I do have some technical competence and experience (4 engineering degrees, including a PhD, former systems manager, former SW product manager).  I don&#8217;t think my concerns are trivial.  For the average user, without extensive expert IT management backup, Vista and Office 2007 are insane propositions.  I myself will migrate to Linus/Openoffice within the next year.</p>
<p>I am stunned that Microsoft could put out something this bad.  Anyone on my IT staff proposing to migrate to either Vista or Office 2007 would be summarily fired &#8211; and they would deserve it.</p>
<p>The Wizard of Boz</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Mackinder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Mackinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A bit late adding to this but I am suprised by the lack of comments on pure performance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I want to use 2007, mainly for the charts, PTs and BI stuff you can pull through from SQL Server. I even ordered John&#039;s Bible to ease the process, but I find that performance is horrible. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For commercial applications the loss of calculation speed is a nightmare even with simple formulas. Add in charts/PTs and you can be looking at performance degradation in the region of 10 to 20 times that of 2003.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For me, if MS is serious about this being the BI tool of the future, they would be advised to fix the calculation engine quickly.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit late adding to this but I am suprised by the lack of comments on pure performance.</p>
<p>I want to use 2007, mainly for the charts, PTs and BI stuff you can pull through from SQL Server. I even ordered John&#8217;s Bible to ease the process, but I find that performance is horrible. </p>
<p>For commercial applications the loss of calculation speed is a nightmare even with simple formulas. Add in charts/PTs and you can be looking at performance degradation in the region of 10 to 20 times that of 2003.  </p>
<p>For me, if MS is serious about this being the BI tool of the future, they would be advised to fix the calculation engine quickly.</p>
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