Comments on: Position of icons in customized Toolbars http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2006/09/19/position-of-icons-in-customized-toolbars/ Daily posts of Excel tips…and other stuff Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:42:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jon Peltier http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2006/09/19/position-of-icons-in-customized-toolbars/#comment-26206 Jon Peltier Sun, 05 Aug 2007 20:24:00 +0000 http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/?p=1511#comment-26206 <p>Ian -</p> <p>Adjust the commandbar's .Width property.</p> Ian -

Adjust the commandbar’s .Width property.

]]> By: Ian B http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2006/09/19/position-of-icons-in-customized-toolbars/#comment-26184 Ian B Sat, 04 Aug 2007 23:21:00 +0000 http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/?p=1511#comment-26184 <p>Completely off the main point and maybe too far down the track.<br> How do you get the floating menu to tile vertically as in Fig 2 and Fig 4 - I've been trying for hours, it can be manually done by altering the height but I can't get this to happen in code!</p> <p>TIA</p> Completely off the main point and maybe too far down the track.
How do you get the floating menu to tile vertically as in Fig 2 and Fig 4 – I’ve been trying for hours, it can be manually done by altering the height but I can’t get this to happen in code!

TIA

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2006/09/19/position-of-icons-in-customized-toolbars/#comment-21015 Anonymous Sat, 23 Sep 2006 04:29:00 +0000 http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/?p=1511#comment-21015 <p>"a "marketing" survey which said only 2% population customise the UI"</p> <p>Cold survey that wanted to know what users are doing not what they hope to do, maybe 98% dream one day to do what the other 2% already do. MS thinks that is doing a favor for 98% but it is breaking their dream. And maybe 98% hear someone before to do an upgrade and only 2% do by themselves. The revenge of 2% can be malign :)</p> “a “marketing” survey which said only 2% population customise the UI”

Cold survey that wanted to know what users are doing not what they hope to do, maybe 98% dream one day to do what the other 2% already do. MS thinks that is doing a favor for 98% but it is breaking their dream. And maybe 98% hear someone before to do an upgrade and only 2% do by themselves. The revenge of 2% can be malign :)

]]> By: sam http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2006/09/19/position-of-icons-in-customized-toolbars/#comment-21001 sam Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:33:00 +0000 http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/?p=1511#comment-21001 <p>Mpemba...</p> <p>Excel 12 you must rember is for the large base of "dumb" customer that Mircosoft has decided to help.... I recently read on the UI Blog that the new UI was a result of a "marketing" survey which said only 2% population customise the UI</p> <p>So what if the Print Icon can only print... Microsoft doesent want ambiguity to creep in</p> <p>Sam</p> Mpemba…

Excel 12 you must rember is for the large base of “dumb” customer that Mircosoft has decided to help…. I recently read on the UI Blog that the new UI was a result of a “marketing” survey which said only 2% population customise the UI

So what if the Print Icon can only print… Microsoft doesent want ambiguity to creep in

Sam

]]> By: Mpemba http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2006/09/19/position-of-icons-in-customized-toolbars/#comment-21000 Mpemba Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:49:00 +0000 http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/?p=1511#comment-21000 <p>If all the icons are going to have text-equivalents beside them anyway - then why bother with icons?</p> <p>Is there something I'm missing here?<br> What was wrong with being able to hover-tooltip to find out what a forgotten icon did?#</p> <p>Will there be an "icon only" setting in Excel 12 for those of us who already recognise the print, file, help etc icons?</p> <p>Just a thought</p> <p>M</p> If all the icons are going to have text-equivalents beside them anyway – then why bother with icons?

Is there something I’m missing here?
What was wrong with being able to hover-tooltip to find out what a forgotten icon did?#

Will there be an “icon only” setting in Excel 12 for those of us who already recognise the print, file, help etc icons?

Just a thought

M

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2006/09/19/position-of-icons-in-customized-toolbars/#comment-20999 Anonymous Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:55:00 +0000 http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/?p=1511#comment-20999 <p>This proves that Ribbon is very good to substitute only menubar, not to menubar and toolbars. All toolbars could come hidden as default but never and never completely removed. I'll wait for Excel 2010 too.</p> This proves that Ribbon is very good to substitute only menubar, not to menubar and toolbars. All toolbars could come hidden as default but never and never completely removed. I’ll wait for Excel 2010 too.

]]> By: jkpieterse http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2006/09/19/position-of-icons-in-customized-toolbars/#comment-20998 jkpieterse Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:32:00 +0000 http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/?p=1511#comment-20998 <p>Dennis: I disagree on the docked issue. The buttons on the right WILL get hidden if your user is going to dock your toolbar in a spot that is smaller than it needs for all of its buttons. And then the ones on the right get hidden first.</p> Dennis: I disagree on the docked issue. The buttons on the right WILL get hidden if your user is going to dock your toolbar in a spot that is smaller than it needs for all of its buttons. And then the ones on the right get hidden first.

]]> By: Jon Peltier http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2006/09/19/position-of-icons-in-customized-toolbars/#comment-20995 Jon Peltier Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:21:00 +0000 http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/?p=1511#comment-20995 <p>"That makes me pretty underqualified to describe the new user experience in any detail."</p> <p>On the contrary, it qualifies you very well to describe the new user experience. What it doesn't do is qualify you to write a How-To book about it.</p> “That makes me pretty underqualified to describe the new user experience in any detail.”

On the contrary, it qualifies you very well to describe the new user experience. What it doesn’t do is qualify you to write a How-To book about it.

]]> By: Simon Murphy http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2006/09/19/position-of-icons-in-customized-toolbars/#comment-20994 Simon Murphy Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:18:00 +0000 http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/?p=1511#comment-20994 <p>Jon<br> fair point, I should just keep quiet, I spent an hour of pure frustration trying (and failing) to do simple stuff, confirmed all my add-ins are now broken and then went back to 2003 to get my work done. That makes me pretty underqualified to describe the new user experience in any detail. (although I did pass on my first impressions to the Excel and UI teams)</p> <p>Sam, 2010 is when I expect to have clients on a later version than 2003, so I have no plans for 2007 for a long time.</p> <p>Cheers<br> Simon</p> Jon
fair point, I should just keep quiet, I spent an hour of pure frustration trying (and failing) to do simple stuff, confirmed all my add-ins are now broken and then went back to 2003 to get my work done. That makes me pretty underqualified to describe the new user experience in any detail. (although I did pass on my first impressions to the Excel and UI teams)

Sam, 2010 is when I expect to have clients on a later version than 2003, so I have no plans for 2007 for a long time.

Cheers
Simon

]]> By: Alan Wolfson http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2006/09/19/position-of-icons-in-customized-toolbars/#comment-20993 Alan Wolfson Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:36:00 +0000 http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/?p=1511#comment-20993 <p>Dennis,<br> I've spent a lot of time designing UI's and I've found that it's generally best to follow the style guide for the specific platform that your application will run on. I'm pretty sure that the Windows style guide indicates that the help menu should appear on the far right side of the menu, and the About information should be a sub-menu on the help menu (hat was true as well for Motif way back when I was writing X Window applications).<br> In the case of toolbars, I don't personally know of any standards. That doesn't mean they don't exist, it just means that I don't know about them :-) My guess is that most people would prefer to arrange the buttons to suit their own personal needs - probably some arrangement that supports the most-frequently-used paradigm.<br> So I guess that means that I would prefer the first option in your post. In general, I don't like floating toolbars because they either cover something I want to see on my screen or I've moved them so far out of the way that I can't find them again :-)</p> <p>Alan</p> Dennis,
I’ve spent a lot of time designing UI’s and I’ve found that it’s generally best to follow the style guide for the specific platform that your application will run on. I’m pretty sure that the Windows style guide indicates that the help menu should appear on the far right side of the menu, and the About information should be a sub-menu on the help menu (hat was true as well for Motif way back when I was writing X Window applications).
In the case of toolbars, I don’t personally know of any standards. That doesn’t mean they don’t exist, it just means that I don’t know about them :-) My guess is that most people would prefer to arrange the buttons to suit their own personal needs – probably some arrangement that supports the most-frequently-used paradigm.
So I guess that means that I would prefer the first option in your post. In general, I don’t like floating toolbars because they either cover something I want to see on my screen or I’ve moved them so far out of the way that I can’t find them again :-)

Alan

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