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		<title>By: XL-Dennis</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2006/06/12/web-based-services/#comment-19965</link>
		<dc:creator>XL-Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the input fzz :)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It only took me 4:3o minutes to&lt;br&gt;
- remove the disc from my &quot;HAL&quot;-laptop (which has some protection facilities activated)&lt;br&gt;
- mount the disc in my Debian installation (Linux)&lt;br&gt;
- viewed all the contents of the disc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amazing...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kind regards,&lt;br&gt;
Dennis&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the input fzz <img src='http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It only took me 4:3o minutes to<br />
- remove the disc from my &#8220;HAL&#8221;-laptop (which has some protection facilities activated)<br />
- mount the disc in my Debian installation (Linux)<br />
- viewed all the contents of the disc.</p>
<p>Amazing&#8230;</p>
<p>Kind regards,<br />
Dennis</p>
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		<title>By: fzz</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2006/06/12/web-based-services/#comment-19925</link>
		<dc:creator>fzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;With respect to security of portable devices, any drive that can be mounted as an additional drive on a different, already running system can be viewed just like floppy disks of old. Impose whatever restrictive permissions you want on any PC&#039;s NTFS harddisk volumes, then reboot from any live Linux CD and mount the NTFS harddisk volumes. Shouldn&#039;t take as long as 10 minutes to be able to view and copy any file.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Security comes from a combination of restricted physical access and encryption. Remove either and you no longer have security.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That said, portable devices are a practical necessity until all storage is recentralized and there are ubiquitous thin clients that can connect to any VPN (or whatever its successor would be in the future). There&#039;s always some risk of loss or misuse by others, so there&#039;s no good reason not to mandate encryption for files on portable devices. If the encryption keys are reasonably long and irregular (and the encryption algorithm up-to-date), it&#039;d take much longer than 10 minutes to crack any data file.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect to security of portable devices, any drive that can be mounted as an additional drive on a different, already running system can be viewed just like floppy disks of old. Impose whatever restrictive permissions you want on any PC&#8217;s NTFS harddisk volumes, then reboot from any live Linux CD and mount the NTFS harddisk volumes. Shouldn&#8217;t take as long as 10 minutes to be able to view and copy any file.</p>
<p>Security comes from a combination of restricted physical access and encryption. Remove either and you no longer have security.</p>
<p>That said, portable devices are a practical necessity until all storage is recentralized and there are ubiquitous thin clients that can connect to any VPN (or whatever its successor would be in the future). There&#8217;s always some risk of loss or misuse by others, so there&#8217;s no good reason not to mandate encryption for files on portable devices. If the encryption keys are reasonably long and irregular (and the encryption algorithm up-to-date), it&#8217;d take much longer than 10 minutes to crack any data file.</p>
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		<title>By: XL-Dennis</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2006/06/12/web-based-services/#comment-19921</link>
		<dc:creator>XL-Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BTW, today I started to test my ISP&#039;s new web based mailsystem (developed in Java). When it&#039;s ready for release I will port myself to it. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No, I have not used MS Outlook instead I use PocoMail (http://www.pocosystems.com)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kind regards,&lt;br&gt;
Dennis&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, today I started to test my ISP&#8217;s new web based mailsystem (developed in Java). When it&#8217;s ready for release I will port myself to it. </p>
<p>No, I have not used MS Outlook instead I use PocoMail (<a href="http://www.pocosystems.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.pocosystems.com</a>)</p>
<p>Kind regards,<br />
Dennis</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Marx</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2006/06/12/web-based-services/#comment-19920</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake Marx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No problem, Tushar &amp; Dennis. I spent quite a bit of time looking over the web2.0awards.org site myself. :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem, Tushar &amp; Dennis. I spent quite a bit of time looking over the web2.0awards.org site myself. <img src='http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: XL-Dennis</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2006/06/12/web-based-services/#comment-19919</link>
		<dc:creator>XL-Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jake,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I forgott to say thank You in my previously comment for the nice links - highly appreciated :)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kind regards,&lt;br&gt;
Dennis&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake,</p>
<p>I forgott to say thank You in my previously comment for the nice links &#8211; highly appreciated <img src='http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Kind regards,<br />
Dennis</p>
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		<title>By: XL-Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>XL-Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;- James,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;Wasn&#039;t the old Microsoft binder close to what you are blogging about&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not in my opinion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;How can the webbased google effort be used by people whose business requires confidentiality?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This question may have several answers:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;# Large corporates will always use their own solutions and never depend on any outside vendor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;# File servers can be used where business require more control of the stored information.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;# Well, this questions seems always be raised when discussion scenarios like web based services.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The use of laptops and hand computers etc expose the corporates to an extremly (and unnecessary) risks to which it will require expensive solutions (to no avail as security is always one step behind the dark forces..)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Recently a test was conducted at &quot;HAL&quot; where a specialist showed how all securities could be bypassed within 10 minutes on a laptop. What is the confidentiality rate to use these tools?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kind regards,&lt;br&gt;
Dennis&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- James,</p>
<p>&#8220;Wasn&#8217;t the old Microsoft binder close to what you are blogging about&#8221;</p>
<p>Not in my opinion.</p>
<p>&#8220;How can the webbased google effort be used by people whose business requires confidentiality?&#8221;</p>
<p>This question may have several answers:</p>
<p># Large corporates will always use their own solutions and never depend on any outside vendor.</p>
<p># File servers can be used where business require more control of the stored information.</p>
<p># Well, this questions seems always be raised when discussion scenarios like web based services.</p>
<p>The use of laptops and hand computers etc expose the corporates to an extremly (and unnecessary) risks to which it will require expensive solutions (to no avail as security is always one step behind the dark forces..)</p>
<p>Recently a test was conducted at &#8220;HAL&#8221; where a specialist showed how all securities could be bypassed within 10 minutes on a laptop. What is the confidentiality rate to use these tools?</p>
<p>Kind regards,<br />
Dennis</p>
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		<title>By: Tushar Mehta</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2006/06/12/web-based-services/#comment-19915</link>
		<dc:creator>Tushar Mehta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Jake:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for those links (the 0awards and thinkfree).  Lots to look at. {grin}&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jake:</p>
<p>Thanks for those links (the 0awards and thinkfree).  Lots to look at. {grin}</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Marx</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2006/06/12/web-based-services/#comment-19911</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake Marx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tushar,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve checked out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thinkfree.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;thinkfree.com&lt;/a&gt;, and it&#039;s similar to what you were looking for from MS.  It&#039;s Java-based and not AJAX, but it definitely looks promising.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Regards,&lt;br&gt;
Jake&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tushar,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve checked out <a href="http://www.thinkfree.com/" rel="nofollow">thinkfree.com</a>, and it&#8217;s similar to what you were looking for from MS.  It&#8217;s Java-based and not AJAX, but it definitely looks promising.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Jake</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Marx</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2006/06/12/web-based-services/#comment-19910</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake Marx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Harald,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s a good list of some cutting-edge web-based services:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  &lt;a href=&quot;http://web2.0awards.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://web2.0awards.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A few that I use are basecamp &amp; meebo.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Regards,&lt;br&gt;
Jake&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harald,</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a good list of some cutting-edge web-based services:</p>
<p>  <a href="http://web2.0awards.org/" rel="nofollow">http://web2.0awards.org/</a></p>
<p>A few that I use are basecamp &amp; meebo.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Jake</p>
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		<title>By: James Bailey</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2006/06/12/web-based-services/#comment-19909</link>
		<dc:creator>James Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wasn&#039;t the old Microsoft binder close to what you are blogging about.  How can the webbased google effort be used by people whose business requires confidentiality.  Those systems would be great if they provided a user option to store on a user owned server.  Most businesses cannot or should not use a third party server subject to others, competitors or government, ability to subpoena or hack.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t the old Microsoft binder close to what you are blogging about.  How can the webbased google effort be used by people whose business requires confidentiality.  Those systems would be great if they provided a user option to store on a user owned server.  Most businesses cannot or should not use a third party server subject to others, competitors or government, ability to subpoena or hack.</p>
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