Comments on: Relevance Lost – The Raise and Fall of Large Workbooks http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2005/12/10/relevance-lost-the-raise-and-fall-of-large-workbooks/ Daily posts of Excel tips…and other stuff Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:06:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: tooooota http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2005/12/10/relevance-lost-the-raise-and-fall-of-large-workbooks/#comment-38313 tooooota Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:41:00 +0000 http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/?p=1298#comment-38313 <p>Thanks, Dennis i would like to ask u some Q what the relation betwwen this case and relevance lost ?is this case has relevant to manageral accounting or no ?</p> Thanks, Dennis i would like to ask u some Q what the relation betwwen this case and relevance lost ?is this case has relevant to manageral accounting or no ?

]]> By: XL-Dennis http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2005/12/10/relevance-lost-the-raise-and-fall-of-large-workbooks/#comment-18036 XL-Dennis Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:07:00 +0000 http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/?p=1298#comment-18036 <p>Casey,</p> <p>The *key message* in the above case is that the company take full responsibility. What tools that are in use is a secondary question and subject to several aspects.</p> <p>The key questions in Your case should be:</p> <p>#1 Does Your company take full responsibility for the whole information process or do they expect that all the end users fix the issues down to the road?</p> <p>#2 Who control all the workbooks in use?</p> <p># What are the quality of the workbooks in use?</p> <p>As for the tools/platforms to be used the wide general point of view is that different issues usually demands different tools to be used.</p> <p>Kind regards,<br> Dennis</p> Casey,

The *key message* in the above case is that the company take full responsibility. What tools that are in use is a secondary question and subject to several aspects.

The key questions in Your case should be:

#1 Does Your company take full responsibility for the whole information process or do they expect that all the end users fix the issues down to the road?

#2 Who control all the workbooks in use?

# What are the quality of the workbooks in use?

As for the tools/platforms to be used the wide general point of view is that different issues usually demands different tools to be used.

Kind regards,
Dennis

]]> By: Casey Oya http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2005/12/10/relevance-lost-the-raise-and-fall-of-large-workbooks/#comment-17974 Casey Oya Mon, 26 Dec 2005 03:09:00 +0000 http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/?p=1298#comment-17974 <p>Being the only spreadsheet tool in all computers and the basic trained computer skill in my company,it is no doubt that Excel is the most common program used when dealing with data and reports.<br> So the extensive used of Excel from simple word processing task,report writing and complex analysis tasks are very common.<br> The advantage of Excel is the ease of transferring files from one user to another - sometime it coluld be outside of the company especially when dealing with other affiliates within a global company, beside Excel there could be very limited common language.<br> For example, we are now wotking on Fixed Asset Management, Company A & B used SAP, but there are big differences in the system structures. whereas Company C is using a Japanese data system, hence when we want to do any comparision, there are massive transfer of data, sorting, twisting etc... to make the close match.<br> So... will there be a solution? Unless Excel can do more than it can now... SQL servers, Crystal Report etc.. could only add complexity to the whole problem ...</p> Being the only spreadsheet tool in all computers and the basic trained computer skill in my company,it is no doubt that Excel is the most common program used when dealing with data and reports.
So the extensive used of Excel from simple word processing task,report writing and complex analysis tasks are very common.
The advantage of Excel is the ease of transferring files from one user to another – sometime it coluld be outside of the company especially when dealing with other affiliates within a global company, beside Excel there could be very limited common language.
For example, we are now wotking on Fixed Asset Management, Company A & B used SAP, but there are big differences in the system structures. whereas Company C is using a Japanese data system, hence when we want to do any comparision, there are massive transfer of data, sorting, twisting etc… to make the close match.
So… will there be a solution? Unless Excel can do more than it can now… SQL servers, Crystal Report etc.. could only add complexity to the whole problem …

]]> By: XL-Dennis http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2005/12/10/relevance-lost-the-raise-and-fall-of-large-workbooks/#comment-17839 XL-Dennis Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:04:00 +0000 http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/?p=1298#comment-17839 <p>Simon,</p> <p>Thank you for Your kind feedback :)</p> <p>I've forwarded all feedback to the company and my contactperson told me last week amogn other things that it's good to know that they are *not* unique.</p> <p>Kind regards,<br> Dennis</p> Simon,

Thank you for Your kind feedback :)

I’ve forwarded all feedback to the company and my contactperson told me last week amogn other things that it’s good to know that they are *not* unique.

Kind regards,
Dennis

]]> By: Simon Murphy http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2005/12/10/relevance-lost-the-raise-and-fall-of-large-workbooks/#comment-17825 Simon Murphy Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:33:00 +0000 http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/?p=1298#comment-17825 <p>Dennis<br> Great post, thanks for sharing.<br> I found the metrics especially interesting (v. similar to what I have seen).</p> <p>cheers<br> Simon</p> Dennis
Great post, thanks for sharing.
I found the metrics especially interesting (v. similar to what I have seen).

cheers
Simon

]]> By: XL-Dennis http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2005/12/10/relevance-lost-the-raise-and-fall-of-large-workbooks/#comment-17755 XL-Dennis Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:25:00 +0000 http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/?p=1298#comment-17755 <p>Will,</p> <p>You're most welcome and based on some feedback I got it seems that many companies face the same situation nowadays. </p> <p>From what I've seen and taken part of The Sharepoint Services / Portal Services can create a solid platform to co-ordinate and control the information flow within companies in an excellent way. But it also raise high demands in many ways.</p> <p>Speaking about the C/R Server, the company will next year implement it.</p> <p>Thanks - Now I know why we have so much in common ;)</p> <p>Kind regards,<br> Dennis</p> Will,

You’re most welcome and based on some feedback I got it seems that many companies face the same situation nowadays.

From what I’ve seen and taken part of The Sharepoint Services / Portal Services can create a solid platform to co-ordinate and control the information flow within companies in an excellent way. But it also raise high demands in many ways.

Speaking about the C/R Server, the company will next year implement it.

Thanks – Now I know why we have so much in common ;)

Kind regards,
Dennis

]]> By: Will Riley http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2005/12/10/relevance-lost-the-raise-and-fall-of-large-workbooks/#comment-17739 Will Riley Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:59:00 +0000 http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/?p=1298#comment-17739 <p>Heya Dennis</p> <p>You know it's weird... this could almost describe my job over the last two years... your initial diagram was especially a case of deja vu!! </p> <p>We now only have 2 users who can create so called "ad-hoc" reports from our SQL databases... the rest, like your project are served eiher via Crystal Reports server (some of these have parameter abilities) and the rest are delivered via secured workbooks (by secured, I mean that the 99% of Excel users view them as unbreakable - most readers of this blog would not think so though ;) )</p> <p>We are now currently moving towards phase two, with a new SQL based banking system & separate Accounting & CRM systems - the intention is to use web-based reporting via a sharepoint scenario... but we are as yet at the design stage so can't say much more "in public" (as my boss says, people have ears...)</p> <p>Thanks for the article Dennis, makes me feel that I got some things almost correct since we "met"</p> <p>Will</p> Heya Dennis

You know it’s weird… this could almost describe my job over the last two years… your initial diagram was especially a case of deja vu!!

We now only have 2 users who can create so called “ad-hoc” reports from our SQL databases… the rest, like your project are served eiher via Crystal Reports server (some of these have parameter abilities) and the rest are delivered via secured workbooks (by secured, I mean that the 99% of Excel users view them as unbreakable – most readers of this blog would not think so though ;) )

We are now currently moving towards phase two, with a new SQL based banking system & separate Accounting & CRM systems – the intention is to use web-based reporting via a sharepoint scenario… but we are as yet at the design stage so can’t say much more “in public” (as my boss says, people have ears…)

Thanks for the article Dennis, makes me feel that I got some things almost correct since we “met”

Will

]]> By: XL-Dennis http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2005/12/10/relevance-lost-the-raise-and-fall-of-large-workbooks/#comment-17733 XL-Dennis Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:03:00 +0000 http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/?p=1298#comment-17733 <p>Rich,</p> <p>Thanks for Your kind comments and I will forward the appreciation to the customer. </p> <p>Sometimes I wished that we could share all the knowledge and experience we have but business is business and NDAs are present.</p> <p>Kind regards,<br> Dennis</p> Rich,

Thanks for Your kind comments and I will forward the appreciation to the customer.

Sometimes I wished that we could share all the knowledge and experience we have but business is business and NDAs are present.

Kind regards,
Dennis

]]> By: Rich http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2005/12/10/relevance-lost-the-raise-and-fall-of-large-workbooks/#comment-17729 Rich Mon, 12 Dec 2005 19:15:00 +0000 http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/?p=1298#comment-17729 <p>Thanks, Dennis. This is exactly what some of us need to see in action, especially those of us inside the company, who seldom if ever get an overview of the entire project. Kudos to the company for allowing you to post. And well-done to you on condensing a 7 month project to an excellent top-level, coherent presentation. </p> <p>At the end I wanted to jump on a flight to Sweden, and grab you and shout, "Dennis, next time take me with you!"</p> <p>Congrats on a job well-done.</p> Thanks, Dennis. This is exactly what some of us need to see in action, especially those of us inside the company, who seldom if ever get an overview of the entire project. Kudos to the company for allowing you to post. And well-done to you on condensing a 7 month project to an excellent top-level, coherent presentation.

At the end I wanted to jump on a flight to Sweden, and grab you and shout, “Dennis, next time take me with you!”

Congrats on a job well-done.

]]> By: ross http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2005/12/10/relevance-lost-the-raise-and-fall-of-large-workbooks/#comment-17716 ross Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:07:00 +0000 http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/?p=1298#comment-17716 <p>Thanks for the swift reply Dennis, - that info is just fine, nice of the copmany to allow you to share it with the excel community. </p> <p>I guess it really does come down to IT polices, when you get to the reporting level, and i think user knowledge as well. </p> <p>Thanks Again Dennis</p> Thanks for the swift reply Dennis, – that info is just fine, nice of the copmany to allow you to share it with the excel community.

I guess it really does come down to IT polices, when you get to the reporting level, and i think user knowledge as well.

Thanks Again Dennis

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