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		<title>By: jkpieterse</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2005/07/06/new-article-defined-names-in-excel/#comment-15526</link>
		<dc:creator>jkpieterse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Aaron: Good points indeed.&lt;br&gt;
Kevin: Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron: Good points indeed.<br />
Kevin: Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin H. Stecyk</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2005/07/06/new-article-defined-names-in-excel/#comment-15524</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin H. Stecyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2005 01:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jan Karel Pieterse,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You are most welcome. I added a post on my weblog that recommends both your and Charles&#039; software programs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Best regards,&lt;br&gt;
Kevin&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jan Karel Pieterse,</p>
<p>You are most welcome. I added a post on my weblog that recommends both your and Charles&#8217; software programs.</p>
<p>Best regards,<br />
Kevin</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Blood</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2005/07/06/new-article-defined-names-in-excel/#comment-15523</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Blood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Admittedly, I only skimmed thru it.  Appears to be a good writeup on the positive aspects of range names.  It&#039;s a bit typical in that it doesn&#039;t point out any of the pitfalls...  (but perhaps I missed the warnings due to skimming, apologies if that&#039;s the case)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, they have their uses.  VBA refs are particularly helpful.  I typically recommend prequalifying those names with &quot;VBA_&quot;.  It&#039;s nice to know at a glance which ones are being used in code.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, I see at least 3 warnings that should be issued when recommending named ranges.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Prolific use of defined range names in formulas &quot;may&quot; (or for accountants, &quot;will likely&quot;) lead to:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;* More complicated auditing&lt;br&gt;
* Can breed unwanted external links and ghost links&lt;br&gt;
* Can limit or in some cases even disable formulas when names become too long (as you know, there&#039;s a limit to how long a cell formula can be)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;...other than that, yeah they&#039;re great use em if you like.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Personally, I don&#039;t find myself using a lot of them. Especially when it comes to straight formula references.  I&#039;m not saying I NEVER use them.  I might use 5-10 at most for cell formula refs in a model.  But to see like 50 or more in a model (for formula reference) would be too much in my opinion.  More commonly I&#039;m using them mostly for VBA references.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are some auditing benefits to using range refs.  Those who follow the convention of using same columns from sheet-to-sheet for same years understand the benefit better than most.  Knowing whether the cell is above/below a formula cell can be helpful.  For auditing sometimes it&#039;s even helpful to just know the data is reading from a certain sheet.  These things are masked by defined names.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve debated the topic too often to want to post repeatedly on the topic again so this is going to be my only commentary.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You all can have the last word...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Regards,&lt;br&gt;
Aaron&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Admittedly, I only skimmed thru it.  Appears to be a good writeup on the positive aspects of range names.  It&#8217;s a bit typical in that it doesn&#8217;t point out any of the pitfalls&#8230;  (but perhaps I missed the warnings due to skimming, apologies if that&#8217;s the case)</p>
<p>Yes, they have their uses.  VBA refs are particularly helpful.  I typically recommend prequalifying those names with &#8220;VBA_&#8221;.  It&#8217;s nice to know at a glance which ones are being used in code.</p>
<p>However, I see at least 3 warnings that should be issued when recommending named ranges.</p>
<p>Prolific use of defined range names in formulas &#8220;may&#8221; (or for accountants, &#8220;will likely&#8221;) lead to:</p>
<p>* More complicated auditing<br />
* Can breed unwanted external links and ghost links<br />
* Can limit or in some cases even disable formulas when names become too long (as you know, there&#8217;s a limit to how long a cell formula can be)</p>
<p>&#8230;other than that, yeah they&#8217;re great use em if you like.</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t find myself using a lot of them. Especially when it comes to straight formula references.  I&#8217;m not saying I NEVER use them.  I might use 5-10 at most for cell formula refs in a model.  But to see like 50 or more in a model (for formula reference) would be too much in my opinion.  More commonly I&#8217;m using them mostly for VBA references.</p>
<p>There are some auditing benefits to using range refs.  Those who follow the convention of using same columns from sheet-to-sheet for same years understand the benefit better than most.  Knowing whether the cell is above/below a formula cell can be helpful.  For auditing sometimes it&#8217;s even helpful to just know the data is reading from a certain sheet.  These things are masked by defined names.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve debated the topic too often to want to post repeatedly on the topic again so this is going to be my only commentary.  </p>
<p>You all can have the last word&#8230;</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Aaron</p>
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		<title>By: jkpieterse</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2005/07/06/new-article-defined-names-in-excel/#comment-15516</link>
		<dc:creator>jkpieterse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks Kevin!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Kevin!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin H. Stecyk</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2005/07/06/new-article-defined-names-in-excel/#comment-15509</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin H. Stecyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just a note of congratulations to Jan Karel Pieterse and Charles Williams on their fine work with the Name Manager.  When I work with spreadsheets, I  always use Charles Williams&#039; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.decisionmodels.com/index.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fast Excel&lt;/a&gt; with the Name Manager built in.  I always use range name whenever possible, for it reduces errors and allows to more quickly understand the formulas.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note of congratulations to Jan Karel Pieterse and Charles Williams on their fine work with the Name Manager.  When I work with spreadsheets, I  always use Charles Williams&#8217; <a href="http://www.decisionmodels.com/index.htm" rel="nofollow">Fast Excel</a> with the Name Manager built in.  I always use range name whenever possible, for it reduces errors and allows to more quickly understand the formulas.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie III</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2005/07/06/new-article-defined-names-in-excel/#comment-14456</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2005 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;See Dick.s archive of 3/1/05 INDIRECT and named Ranges.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I saw your link.  Thanks.  I will give the english version a try.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Charlie&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See Dick.s archive of 3/1/05 INDIRECT and named Ranges.</p>
<p>I saw your link.  Thanks.  I will give the english version a try.</p>
<p>Charlie</p>
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		<title>By: jkpieterse</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/archives/2005/07/06/new-article-defined-names-in-excel/#comment-14455</link>
		<dc:creator>jkpieterse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2005 13:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Charlie,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Could you point me to the discussion you refer to?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On the Conclusion page I added a link to a downloadpage where you can get the XLM helpfile.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Charlie,</p>
<p>Could you point me to the discussion you refer to?</p>
<p>On the Conclusion page I added a link to a downloadpage where you can get the XLM helpfile.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2005 12:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jan-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nice article.  I have one observation and one question.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Observation:  A dynamic named range created using the OFFSET function will not work with certain other Excel functions.  Example the INDIRECT function.  In a thread I created on this blog with Dick K. we learned that this was true and how OFFSET works.  I also found with further testing that a dynamic named range using the OFFSET function that is being used as link between two files will not work unless both files are open.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Question:  Do you some reference to the GET. functions?  I can&#039;t find references on how GET works.  It sounds powerfull and I would like to use more of it.  Maybe some one has a reference to another web site or thier own site to explain the meaning of the GET. functions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Charlie III&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jan-</p>
<p>Nice article.  I have one observation and one question.</p>
<p>Observation:  A dynamic named range created using the OFFSET function will not work with certain other Excel functions.  Example the INDIRECT function.  In a thread I created on this blog with Dick K. we learned that this was true and how OFFSET works.  I also found with further testing that a dynamic named range using the OFFSET function that is being used as link between two files will not work unless both files are open.</p>
<p>Question:  Do you some reference to the GET. functions?  I can&#8217;t find references on how GET works.  It sounds powerfull and I would like to use more of it.  Maybe some one has a reference to another web site or thier own site to explain the meaning of the GET. functions.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>Charlie III</p>
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		<title>By: XL-Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>XL-Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Helpfiles and other types of documentation can easily support maintance etc of any kind and also communicate models and methods in use.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In my part of the world it&#039;s called system-documentation ;)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW, well done Jan Karl!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kind regards,&lt;br&gt;
Dennis&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helpfiles and other types of documentation can easily support maintance etc of any kind and also communicate models and methods in use.</p>
<p>In my part of the world it&#8217;s called system-documentation <img src='http://www.dailydoseofexcel.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>BTW, well done Jan Karl!</p>
<p>Kind regards,<br />
Dennis</p>
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		<title>By: doco</title>
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		<dc:creator>doco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2005 14:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would think with the prevalence of the internet, the ignorance excuse could only be understood as being indifferent (ignorance is curable; indifference is terminal).  Anyone working for me and saying &quot;I don&#039;t know&quot; very often, would soon find themselves looking elsewhere for employment.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While I don&#039;t know everything there is to know, even about named ranges, I know what I need to know for now and if something comes up I don&#039;t know, I will take a few minutes to find out.  That is why sites like this one are so invaluable and greatly appreciated.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The phrase &#039;comfort zone&#039; should be striken from an employees lexicon.  Knowledge is just too easy to acquire now for ignorance to be anything but loser&#039;s koolaid.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think with the prevalence of the internet, the ignorance excuse could only be understood as being indifferent (ignorance is curable; indifference is terminal).  Anyone working for me and saying &#8220;I don&#8217;t know&#8221; very often, would soon find themselves looking elsewhere for employment.  </p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t know everything there is to know, even about named ranges, I know what I need to know for now and if something comes up I don&#8217;t know, I will take a few minutes to find out.  That is why sites like this one are so invaluable and greatly appreciated.  </p>
<p>The phrase &#8216;comfort zone&#8217; should be striken from an employees lexicon.  Knowledge is just too easy to acquire now for ignorance to be anything but loser&#8217;s koolaid.</p>
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